I have two Glocks and never have problems with them either. Compare Views . Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Glock . I have two … If you’re looking for a super-high capacity handgun, the Hellcat can give you just that due to its unique patented design. Hellcat vs P365. MSRP: $569 (Std), $599 OSP (OSP) model – $499 and $529 retail, Height: 4.3″ I then did the exact same thing with the Hellcat (no optic). The Sig I went a bit lower profile and got the Tulster OATH. I’ve had a P-11 for a couple decades now. Yes, yes, what’s one measly round? No regrets! Check Price, The LIMA365 is built just for the P365. We took it to the range and tried to get it NOT to work. . I also think it’s much to do about nothing in practical terms (barring extremes). Has a slim fit design that will secure your gun and trigger while minimizing its visibility. I have access to the Hellcat, p365 and the p365xl. I agree with the softer shooting feel of the P365. Hellcat issue. And don’t even get me started on those horribly unreliable AR-15s… haven’t you heard that some malfunctioned back in Nam?? Even though SIG wasn’t the first to shoehorn double-digit rounds of 9×19 into a “mouse gun” — heck, the Kel-Tec P-11 came out in 1995, has always held 10+1, and is the same or smaller than the P365 in length, width, and height — they sure enjoy the credit for it. Let’s begin with pistol lights, and or lasers. As a result, my Sigs outperform all other 9mm firearms I’ve owned in terms of shooter comfort and accuracy and it’s not even close. Although you don’t mention here, I have read the Hellcat has a nickel boron fire control group which I expected at least would provide a smoother trigger than the stamped metal P365 fire control. In the mean time I bought a Hellcat, functions flawlessly, right out of the box and carries one more round than the Sig. This can cause damage and over time, cause the firing pin to break. All for half (or less) than what these SIG and Springfield pistols cost. I’ll keep my SIG, because I love the gun on itself, love the brand, love the 15 rounds mag (not cheap unfortunately) and love the fact that it’s made in the USA. Sold my Glock to buy a P365 last year. As for lasers, I’m not much of a fan, however, I know a lot of friends prefer them. Springfield Hellcat vs. SIG P365: Which is Better? The Springfield’s is almost imperceptibly canted toe up, but for all intents and purposes, is parallel with the bore. Grow a pair and enter the world as it is today. Choose carefully, use wisely. Perhaps this is the reason Sig stopped at 10 — seems to fit the “in vogue” 10 round limit — and is right sized for the pistol. Hellcats are great guns and quite accurate. I have also love my Taurus guns. I have taken old AMT’s and worked them to be reliable. IMO still Very close. Good work SIG, as I would probably buy the P365 package today. So pretty much the first thing a lot of people did was drop and mallet the hell out of it haha, I keep asking for a T&E sample for that and they appear to be ignoring me ‍♂️. NEVER I TELL YA!!! If you don’t have a cleaning kit, we like the below from Gloryfire because it allows you to clean both handguns, rifles, etc. When using the extended (our preferred choice), you’ll receive 12+1. My point is it’s about the gun itself, not the location of birth or politics. Hmm, I have a 9mm Taurus PT111 G2 – about the same size and features, very reliable, and 12+1 capacity. The first round that comes out of the gun, is always far to the left I mean off the target far to the left, even adjusting I can pull it in but it is normally low and to the left, nice grouping and all but still, that first round is just off into oblivion (I’ve had others fire this weapon and responded, where the heck did that first round go?). Copying others. Step on Springfield ok! Then I put a Range at Austin target out to 7 yards and fired 10 rapid shots at the head of the silhouette with my P365 as fast as I could line up the sights just well enough to feel I’d probably stay in the blue; legit rapid-fire. I have a Taurus G2 that I’ve put probably 2000 rounds through. Slightly smaller than a Glock 48 and slightly larger than a P365…….??????? If you would rather trust your life to a Taurus versus a Sig over 2-300 bucks be my guest. Better trigger, better sights, and 1200 flawless rounds later, I decided to buy a second p365. If we could buy directly from HS, I might pick one up. I took to range 3 times and had same issue even after cleaning it. We all know red dot is the way of the future on pistols. I’d buy the regular p365 if I could. And with the Shield Systems 15rd mags available...if I get a sub striker, that’ll be the one. The responsibility is ours. The extra round of the Hellcat in not even a consideration because of the optional mags offered by Sig. The 365 feels better in my hand and feels more refined. happy with both. If this was priced just $100 cheaper, you’d bet that this would be one of our most recommended pistols. Feeds the Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P’s I carry without a hiccup. Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol *Buying ammo from LuckyGunner.com helps support HandgunHero. In hundreds of reviews there is always a Springfield Gun in the top 10 as well as a Glock so to me it’s just the ole Chevy v Ford argument. That said, I got an XL grip module for my P365 and carry it that way. Thumbs up to Springfield. If I were king I’d fix that. P365 vs Hellcat. Seems like they are smidgens apart. Lots of commenters requested photos of one gun on top of the other, but their silhouettes are so darn close there’s very little to see. Handled the Hellcat two separate times. Ruger for Bill Ruger’s insistence that 10 round magazines should be the limit for civilians? Right now Im trying to get some more opinion on the Springfield Armory Hellcat that is optic ready, and the Sig Sauer P365. No. I know most people will agree. 10 years ago, I would have considered buying a Taurus that was known to be reliable (I very nearly bought a TCP, but couldn’t find one in stock, so I ended up with an LCP instead), but these days I make over twice as much money as I used to, so spending an extra $200 for a Glock or Smith & Wesson is totally worth it for me, just for the peace of mind. Springfield Armory Hellcat Review [2020]: Is It Worth It? Well, we put it to the test and determined… it’s a great gun. I carry one daily and shoot it weekly with no malfunctions to date after a couple of years. However, a couple of months after the “Gen 2” (as many Sig fans call it) came out, a couple of users started posting things on social media and forums claiming that the was “primer drag.”. Remington 870 Express Tactical Magpul Shotgun Review, Introduction of Gun Wiki to Gun University, Gun Sales and Manufacturing Statistics [2021]. They’ve been working hard to rectify this the past few years, but they still have a long ways to go before they successfully overcome the stigma they rightfully earned. No Springfield for me ever…I’m OK with my lowly Taurus 709 for now. The SA one looks like a 1980s video game duck, so no thanks. Not saying the Hellcat should win but the cost of the extended mag and the proprietary rail makes it a closer race. Both guns come with night sights. I went with the 365XL and carry the 15 round mag for my backup, same magazine with the alternate floor plate that ships with it. hide. Same with the BMW and Ferrari drivers – what “handling” are they talking about? I can shoot this little gun MORE accurately than my full-size guns. This IWB design allows the user to carry their firearm primarily appendix, which I prefer. Aging eyes. I personally rely on gross motor skills, but dont have snag issues. Best overall ROI. I could say the opposite about each company’s most extended magazine offering, though. My Hellcat has been 100% reliable thus far, and my Sig was not. It holds your weapon in tight and has just enough room to breathe. However, he managed to hold back his emotions. I’m completely baffled that anybody would contribute to any political party. It’s just like cars – both a VW bug and a Jaguar XJ12 will reliably get you from point A to point B – it just depends on what bragging rights you want to go with it. pull. That is a huge problem, will not buy one until its fixed. Get yourself a Glock and a smartphone. I just handled the Hellcat and P365 about 5 minutes ago at the range. Page 2 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3 Next > Mar 30, 2020 at 5:13 AM #21 #21. My question is if you were to choose one for an edc, which would it be and why? P365 vs Hellcat reliability. I just today handled a Hellcat with shield dot at my LGS. I too, am having issues with the Hellcat misfeeding as well as, I think the accuracy at 25 yards is horrible. Posted by 4 months ago. The u-notch sights and other changes are suposed to prevnets snags, what snags? Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Styx, Nov 23, 2019. Enough said. Their argument is that it is increased opportunity to affect sight alignment. Never seen a high end 1911 malfunction either (cuz of course you get what you pay for). The democrats are coming back for more, with increasing demands for over the top security features that small gun stores will not be able to afford. I was sold. It is as accurate for me as any full size gun. That said, they both conceal just fine with the right setup. They’re really not in the same size class. Front sight Well-Known Member. Customary Metric . I don’t think I’m gonna consider getting one of the new ones (unless it’s a gift). Their past political machinations make that even more of a checkmark in the “Con” column. Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine) We’re all so impressed that you “used to be poor” but now you are rich. Of course, it uses the 12 round magazine flush and my spare is a 15 round mag. aesthetically the 365 is more pleasing. Posted by 2 days ago. Length, width, and height are all so-freakin’-close to each other. Out of all of the compact pistols I’ve ever fired, this one shined. No earth-shattering revelations here. Look below to see our take and reviews on what we think…you might be surprised! 1 year ago. That’s nothing to sneeze at in a segment made hugely popular exclusively because of increased capacity over the competition. These magazines do make the gun longer, and heavier, but the increased capacity may be worth it to some. Facing In; Back-to-Back ; Facing Up; Back View; Choose View … In the few videos I have seen, the Hellcat (terrible name) experiences the same tendency as the P365 which is the slide not always locking back on the last shot fired. Only thing wrong with the Hellcat is the baby behind the trigger. So you talk about reliability and the conveniently ignore problems with reliability by calling them “growing pains” when it’s a brand you like? I picked up the P365 SAS and next day wife got the Hellcat, they are very similar we haven’t fired only 2 or 3 mags each for both with ammo the way it is, but both are smooth, sights go to Hellcat , if I could put the trigger form Hellcat on the Sig to me that would be best. But we’re talking really small differences here and any advantage could easily be reversed in a different location at a different angle. “Micro-compact” pistols like the SIG Sauer P365 SAS and Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP are setting the stage for a new era in concealed-carry handguns. In fact, that’s more or less the name of the game in the P365 vs. Hellcat matchup. Pity Ruger never tried to replicate it. I prefer the 12 round magazines over the 10, and don’t really notice much difference in printing between the two. Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Sig Sauer . Why? Let’s take an honest look at some of the best pistol lights and lasers for the p365: The Streamlight is a laser/light combo. All I can say is it doesn’t take much to understand that machining of a firearm is part of the process figured into the cost of said gun.. Since this is common knowledge I would just like to say since I have done smithing most of my life that any firearm can be made to be more reliable and better. Does my heart good to read below and see that I’m not the only one that holds a grudge. to be better and it usually is. Sig Sauer initiated a call back, due to reported problems. Close. I agree I think I got screwed on this Springfield if only there were a lemon law for handgun, the Hellcat would certainly qualify…, It’s the first and last Springfield I will ever purchase… the dealer actually talked me into purchasing it… The only other CCW I owned back in the late 80’s was the Colt Mark IV Govt Model .380 auto. P365. In fact, it’s the perfect EDC in my opinion. Not really knowing what to expect, we found this gun is full of awesome surprises. 659. I own a bunch of Springfields and they simply always work as good as any Gun made, I hate glocks because of the way they feel in my hand, the most unergonomic platform ever. So we took them to the range and gave them real run against each other. share. Hellcat vs P365. Dec 30, 2019 at 9:53 AM #2 #2. It functions flawlessly now. The P365 is something in-between a single and double stack which allows it to hold a capacity of 10+1 in such a compact frame size. But it’s priced the exact same as the Sig which has a much higher quality feel to it. With these small guns, it is very difficult to eliminate the effect of the shooter's grip not engaging the slide catch during firing. 12/15 rounds. No buy Springfield. Fortunately for us, recent introductions to the market have set new benchmarks in the capacity-versus-size game. What We Don’t Like About the P365: There are a few issues with the P365 though. Among other firearms I’ve got Taurus’ .38 snub, a Judge (great on woods tromping jaunts with .410’s for snakes), and two TCP’s. The trigger on the Hellcat is good, but it’s not great. When we unboxed our Hellcat, it really was real treat. You have entered an incorrect email address! Great review, thanks for doing it, actually, made me think about just buying some upgrades for my Glock 26 like night sights and a new osp ready slide for less money with better egos and higher overall capacity. And P365 sales have been good. Tolerances of the 365 are top notch. Speaking of… The gun comes pre-drilled for red dot optics. I don’t know. The slippery slide and harder pull back of the Hellcat is also a concern. View Entire Discussion (26 Comments) More posts from the SigSauer community . Another advantage is that if I have to use my low-price Taurus for a self-defense shooting and the cops impound it as evidence, I can get another one for not much money. Holding 11+1 rounds in its micro-compact magazine, it’s no mystery that the Springfield Armory Hellcat, reviewed by Dan here, has its sights set squarely on the famously standard-setting 10+1-round SIG Sauer P365 (reviewed by John Boch here and followed up by me here). The P365 has been out for a while now, a little bit over a year. I know which brand more experienced shooters are going to choose the majority of the time (365’s initial release growing pains aside). The P365 comes with two double stack 10 round magazines, one of which has a finger extension on it. Great gun that I easily recommend. Compare the dimensions and specs of Glock G43 and Sig Sauer P365. So…can the Hellcat do the same to the P365? Now, if I had to choose between the Hellcat and my G2, I go with the G2 because the Hellcat cost too much and offers nothing I do not already have in the G2. Plus, we’ve thrown in a bunch of sweet comparison pictures between … Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Sig Sauer . The SIG uses a three-dot variety with a high visibility green insert for quick daylight shooting. Springfield Armory Hellcat vs Sig Sauer Now the Sig P365 is almost perfect, it has to be said, so it’s going to be a tall order to be quantifiably better in any one area. We put it though gun hell, still functioned. I’ve owned many 9mm: Springfield (XD Mod2, XDS Mod2), Glock (G19, G43), HK (P30SK, VP9), Walther (PPQ, PPS M2), and Sig (P320C, P320SC, P938, P229, P226, P365). It was a serious enough of a problem that I no longer carry a Glock for anything, I have enough more esthetic paperweights. Their new release was touted to be a world leader in its class, and with the teaser’s urban imagery, it leads us to believe that a new CCW was on the horizon. Width: 1″ Gee, Steve. How can that possibly make you feel better about patronizing Springfield? This is our choice for a minimalist holster and is very cost effective. Shut the company down, and let someone honest use the tooling and dies to make something worthwhile. These are SIG OEM magazines and allow for even greater capacity versus the Glock 43X. Though the P365 was extensively drop tested by SIG and by tons of consumers and gun rags because it was released at SHOT 2018 and the whole P320 thing broke about six months prior to that. Springfield Hellcat vs P365. It has a pressure switch which makes it easy to use and Sig did great with the design, however, I have big hands and with the normal P365 grip, the pressure switch pushes my middle knuckle down just enough to make me wish I had more grip. In our experience, and those of shooters we know, we’ve had flawless reliability. Hellcat Micro Compact. Best side to side review of any two weapons, ever read. Springfield for their deceit in selling out Illinois gun dealers and Sig for their rush to put the product out and have so many malfunctions early on. Also you need to educated yourself why they are cheaper. Then again, I do like shooting a pistol with an optic and Springfield is only charging $30 more for the optics-cut Hellcat. However, between the P365 and the Hellcat, for me, the P365 wins on all counts. Yes, something like that matters. What We Like About the Sig Sauer P365: The first thing that stood out to us about the P365 is just how natural the gun feels in your hand. Another problem is for First and Second Gen owners only. The P365’s 12-rounder, however, is of the flawless extension variety with a forward-angled pinky ledge that feels great and a curved, backstrap-matching rear portion. Both were tiny but neither felt like like it. To update Springfield sent me a replacement handgun and let me pick a different Model as I did not want another Hellcat. No offense, lol. It is junk. Gun people have long memories, and Taurus has a VERY poor reputation when it comes to quality/reliability. So it takes a little more force to rack the Hellcat’s slide and it has some of the least effective slide serrations going. Choose the best weapons, improve their shooting and increase their knowledge on their rights. P365. Both pistols have a slight undercut to the trigger guard and slight bumps on the front of the grip housing for getting a firm hold on the gun. I’d probably still carry the LCP 2 most often though because it’s so easy and comfortable to carry and I’ve gotten fairly good at shooting it. I feel like it would be easier to fire for those with smaller hands, but it’s still rugged enough for those of you with bear paws. It’s nice to see that Springfield made it readily accessible out of the gate. There are many options in the CCW class but how do you pick the right one?. This means you can easily customize with any standard accessories. That’s awesome. (Shout-out to Springfield Armory!). One tough gun! In this short, one take video, I spoke about the features of each pistol and shot a mag at targets 10 yards away. The Hellcat was okay too. P365 quick size comparison in vid.... Looks like Its already had some initial media testing and should be in stores soon for early adopters (not me!). The P11 still holds the title for being the FIRST, SMALLEST, and HIGHEST CAPACITY micro 9mm on the market, and it does all this at less than HALF the price of the P365 & the Hellcat ! The P365 is an amazing firearm and I actually get excited about the maintenance. Measurably softer than my (now sold) Shield or any of the micro-compact nines I have shot. I see the sig for 450 at the gun shows around Houston. Don’t be running down Taurus just because it costs less. The Hellcat’s flush-fit magazine will carry 11 rounds, while the P365 holds 10. Which one would you go for? And just like at home panties aren’t exactly flying off in excitement over 1/10th of an inch either. 9. If you are going to use cost of a gun == how much your life is worth argument, why are you trusting your life in a $500 SIG when you could be trusting your life in a $10000 super custom 1911? The Hellcat also has a standoff feature, a slightly extended recoil guide rod. In regard to the TCP’s, they are sweet little pistols. Maybe they are as good as the P365, and maybe they are not!? When using the flush magazine, you will get 10+1 rounds. My oldest is a vintage Colt 1911 customized for serious competition. P365 & Hellcat vs Single and Subcompacts. And against the reigning CCW champion at that. report. We have a huge plantation of D voters in Chicago, both home grown and imported. Choices for the SIG have to be made exclusively for the SIG. Aftermarket triggers, customized grip-modules, and lights/lasers are available. The hellcat and P365 are almost identical in size. Also, trigger dingus. Factory 12 round flush fitting magazines are readily available, and cheap in price compared to other manufacturers. Thankfully the state of California will keep these unsafe firearms away from us civilians, so I won’t have to worry about purchasing either of them – heaven forbid an ELEVENTH round I a magazine (I mean who needs that many bullets?!). The Springfield pistol also has a one-slot Picatinny rail, whereas the SIG’s rail is a proprietary design. Fortunately for us, recent introductions to the market have set new benchmarks in the capacity-versus-size game.
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